tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post4503901715994403088..comments2023-08-04T01:37:48.433-07:00Comments on 17 Barks: Pit bull safety: 7 attack triggersJakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00482549578598366599noreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-8981967628904556742017-09-06T15:54:10.552-07:002017-09-06T15:54:10.552-07:00Golden Retriever owners? He never said that LOLGolden Retriever owners? He never said that LOLBloggity Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304638069205289452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-48161589242156509872017-09-05T21:22:41.365-07:002017-09-05T21:22:41.365-07:00Pit bulls are UNPREDICTABLE.
"Rescue" d...Pit bulls are UNPREDICTABLE. <br />"Rescue" dogs are frequently emotionally unstable.<br />As much as I feel for these abused animals,<br />they will NOT be safe to adopt as pets for your family, even if very young.<br /><br />They have been selectively bred for hundreds of years to be tenacious and relentless killers.<br />Many "loving and friendly" family pets have suddenly and WITHOUT WARNING <br />turned on their owners and/or their children and other pets. <br />Their style of holding on and mauling is much more damaging than that of other dogs <br />(this also applies to the other "bully" breeds).<br /><br />This is a tragedy that humans have created through genetic selection. <br />It cannot be undone by training or "rehabilitation". Take care<br />when around these animals, even if they appear to be very tame. <br />They can be "triggered" - for no apparent reason - in an INSTANT.<br />(See DogsbiteDotOrg for true accounts)<br /><br />...I realize that you probably consider your loving dog to be completely safe.<br />I thought MY "rescue" dog was also...until he bit a neighbor child. He also behaved<br />in an aggressive manner toward men who smelled of beer and cigarettes. <br />Who knows what the background experiences of these animals have been?<br />(He was very loving and loyal toward me - his rescuer - of course.)<br />However, I will never adopt another "shelter" dog again. Too many unknowns.<br />The safety of other PEOPLE is my prime concern at this point.<br />RRWordshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948736496079262723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-62012156333336146822016-11-15T23:51:56.234-08:002016-11-15T23:51:56.234-08:00Perhaps you're not aware that a bull mastiff i...Perhaps you're not aware that a bull mastiff is so named because it is part pit bull. English Mastiffs are very mellow dogs which can be quite formidable should the need arise. Bull mastiffs are quite a bit more risky, due to the pit bull DNA. <br /><br />Murder is a term which is often used to describe the intentional killing of a human. You may not take it seriously, but I assure you that the friends and family of the victim most certainly do.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482549578598366599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-47521539905368301532016-05-15T15:12:39.969-07:002016-05-15T15:12:39.969-07:00@Michelle Bambie
Agreed, the Molosser family of ...@Michelle Bambie <br /><br />Agreed, the Molosser family of dogs includes a lot of wonderful breeds, including some of my favorites.<br />Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482549578598366599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-54776506635283816662016-05-15T13:04:09.344-07:002016-05-15T13:04:09.344-07:00You know what other breeds are Molossers? Mountain...You know what other breeds are Molossers? Mountain Dogs. Like Bernese Mountain Dogs, Newfoundlands, St. Bernards, Great Pyrenees. People don't talk about those breeds being aggressive, the Molosser heritage doesn't mean much. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04759509307273594425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-37786748626060253562015-06-12T18:07:16.685-07:002015-06-12T18:07:16.685-07:00Okay, how about this compromise? ANY animal capabl...Okay, how about this compromise? ANY animal capable of mauling is out. You know...no mountain lions, no pet tigers, and all dog breeds with mauling ability banned. This is more than fair. GetAPetaHomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12061695374308990590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-34244856974596754792015-06-12T18:03:20.967-07:002015-06-12T18:03:20.967-07:00Hope he NEVER brings his trusty pets around anyone...Hope he NEVER brings his trusty pets around anyone else. Who can trust HiS judgement? Wow. (Blue hat guy) It's True. Some people really DO never learn. GetAPetaHomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12061695374308990590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-90552182224663711332015-06-01T13:48:18.759-07:002015-06-01T13:48:18.759-07:00No Christine,
Pit bulls do cause most of the dama...No Christine,<br /><br />Pit bulls do cause most of the damage. Dalmations, not so much. Agreed about the Presa Canario. Both pits and Presas are molosser breeds, bred to kill things. <br /><br />It is true that these other dogs do attack, but its not the same. Pits are the nastiest dogs by far. The media is just reporting the news.esmallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05477548420920289091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-1555005459750265162014-12-13T12:27:10.037-08:002014-12-13T12:27:10.037-08:00Interesting site but it looks like it's still ...Interesting site but it looks like it's still under construction. I love big dogs, so I'll be curious to see what it looks like when all the breed descriptions are filled in. I have to wonder at your inclusion of pit bulldogs in the "terrier" group though. Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482549578598366599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-39619322325619947142014-09-23T03:00:09.355-07:002014-09-23T03:00:09.355-07:00Dogs that look deformed are often breeds that don’...<br />Dogs that look deformed are often breeds that don’t have any more working lines and the show line breeders completely took over. Working lines in breeds are healthy and look similar to their ancestors. For example many show line German Shepherds are very different from working line and Czech German Shepherds that I think they should eventually be considered different breeds. If you want to preserve a breed and keep dogs looking like dogs, the working lines have to be preserved. Looking for large dog breeds for families Wondering what large dog breeds are good with kids or would be good for apartments Find out here A complete list of <a href="http://encyclopediaofdogbreeds.com/large-dog-breeds/" rel="nofollow">large dog breeds</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15880491211020910518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-59944805649876001982014-06-24T09:04:49.879-07:002014-06-24T09:04:49.879-07:00Pitbulls just like fresh meat. That's all.Pitbulls just like fresh meat. That's all. cetudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03650022244239688094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-78325358145971504012014-06-16T18:21:56.900-07:002014-06-16T18:21:56.900-07:00@Dog Ed - Could you be so kind as to go through th...@Dog Ed - Could you be so kind as to go through the 60 or so people who have been mauled to death by their pit bulls and give us the breakdown? I don't recall any gang bangers or dog fighters among them, but I do remember normal owners who treated their pit bulls well. I've never gone through the drill of tracking them all down, but now that I'm thinking about it, that would be an educational experience. I'll do that myself and post the results here. As for the owners killed by non pit bull breeds, it's such a rare event that it's difficult to draw any conclusions from so few random data points, or to spot any trends with such a low signal to noise ratio.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482549578598366599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-33732640805544099912014-06-16T17:51:57.535-07:002014-06-16T17:51:57.535-07:00Most owners who are killed by their dogs are not y...Most owners who are killed by their dogs are not young women who treat them with love. She was the exception to the rule - but some people want to make an exception into the rule. Starving Oppositehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18132184578461582144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-42330024413352412014-06-15T20:00:59.960-07:002014-06-15T20:00:59.960-07:00Hopeful One, your demands for attention, have in e...Hopeful One, your demands for attention, have in effect, amounted to a denial of service attack. <br /><br />We have to wonder why you don't channel your efforts into something more original. Why not start your own mauler propaganda blog? You're already on blogger, since 2012 according to your profile. Unfortunately that profile is locked down so tight that nobody can verify that you even exist; it doesn't even allow for the possibility of contacting you via email for follow-up questions (what's the big secret?) While you apparently prefer instead to use this blog as your personal soapbox, I think it's safe to say that you've used up your quota and then some. The folks here have been nice enough to keep publishing your comments, even though your carefully crafted story has disintegrated into disjointed rants and repetitions of the same old pit bull propaganda talking points that we've heard so many times before.<br /><br />I just don't see the point of trolling other people's blogs to get a rise out of them. <br /><br />Best of luck, and here's looking forward to seeing your blogging efforts!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-32294323692017805632014-06-15T18:23:29.317-07:002014-06-15T18:23:29.317-07:00@Hopeful one -
Your rapid fire spamming of our c...@Hopeful one - <br /><br />Your rapid fire spamming of our comment section is getting so tiresome that you can't even keep track of what you said. Case in point: you just quoted me as saying: <br /><br />"Bottom line is a responsible owner would have fixed that dog. Would it have saved her life? Who knows? I never claimed that it would." <br /><br />But you are in fact quoting yourself, from a comment above, made on June 13th at 6:19 PM. <br /><br />With that level of confusion on your part, is it any wonder that nobody can understand what your point is? I don't have any hope that you're open to reason. but for the sake of those reading in future, I'll try to address at least some of your points.<br /><br />I'm not sure why you are again demanding the definition of a pit bull (why is it that the pit bull promoters seem to be the most confused of all when it comes to the definition of a pit bull?) since that has been patiently explained that to you in the other posts you commented on. <br /><br />You don't like our statement about the facts on dog attacks indicating that pit bulls kill their owners at a rate 5 times higher than all other breeds combined? Rather than react to your demand that we spoon feed you the facts, here's an assignment: Use your search engine of choice and find all the cases in which a dog which was a family pet killed an owner who raised it. For every non-pit bull type dog you find meeting this criteria, we'll find at least 5 cases of a pit bull type dog doing the deed. Fair enough?<br /><br />As to your tiresome insistence that pit bulls are being blamed for attacks by non pit bulls, and your questions about percentages of pit bull DNA and visual identification, I think you're really in denial of reality when the owner of an attacking pit bull says it's a pit bull, the responding emergency personnel say it's a pit bull, and images and videos clearly show a pit bull type dog, yet you insist there is a media conspiracy to blame pit bulls for these attacks. You folks claim the attacks are the work of some completely unrelated mystery breed which somehow happens to look just like a pit bull.<br /><br />But in reality, we know that oranges don't grow from oak trees, and horses don't give birth to hyenas. A dog doesn't "just happen" to look like a pit bull. The fact that the appearance and behavior of a dog conforms to its breed has been a well known fact for some centuries - but pit bull activists don't accept that, do they? it's all a media conspiracy, isn't it?<br /><br />You folks would have a lot more credibility if you would just stop trying to argue every damn point, stop the propaganda and just admit that the particular expression of canine traits which comprise the breed you advocate was developed specifically for purposes which are a crime, and that these traits make for a dangerous and unpredictable animal. <br /><br />You insist on portraying these "unpredictable torturers" as some have aptly called them, as being "just like any dog". You could take a lesson in honesty from advocates for some of the other breeds. For instance, Akita breeders put you folks to shame. They clearly describe the genetic traits and the inherent risks in raising an Akita, while you folks spew "nanny dog" myths. And the irony is that pit bulls cause far more carnage than Akitas ever have. <br /><br />Caucasian Shepherd breeders are quite honest about the characteristics of their breed, and caution people not to adopt one unless they are well prepared, committed, knowledgeable, and competent. Meanwhile you folks spam sites with pit bull propaganda.<br /><br />And while obscenely violent, unprovoked pit bull attacks like this one <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od7aFIcjAEs&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow">this one</a> are the norm, you people continue to justify and make excuses for the breed, attack victims, and annoy and harass anyone who tries to speak openly about the problem.<br />Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482549578598366599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-52052131183150613092014-06-15T17:28:22.831-07:002014-06-15T17:28:22.831-07:00Jake I said, “Bottom line is a responsible owner w...Jake I said, “Bottom line is a responsible owner would have fixed that dog. Would it have saved her life? Who knows? I never claimed that it would.”<br /><br />After I posted that you continue to piggy back on Dick Johnson’s false assumption that I said getting the dog neutered would have saved her life. The pit bull alarmist propaganda I referred to picks one simple story line and doesn’t look at any other factors. Perhaps that is why you were making the false assumption that I was promoting one reason alone accounted for her death. That would be irresponsible propaganda. I would never do such a thing. I will quote myself again on this issue so everyone is clear and another person isn’t swept up into more false assumptions. “Would it have saved her life? Who knows? I never claimed that it would.”<br /> <br />Pit bull owners are 5 times as likely to be killed by their dog you said. Any facts are welcome, if they are referenced with a link and the criteria is given over which the data was measured that is even better. I applaud you for getting facts out to the public. It would also help me if you would go back and define “pit bull” because you have yet to do so and I’ve asked you several times to clarify that. Was it 25% pit bull in the DNA or some other number or your own visual guess that everyone should trust?<br /><br />If you reply to me again, I suggest quoting me so you can pause from that spat you are having with the imaginary foe that you think is me and comprehend what I’ve actually written.<br /><br />If you quote me I will reply. If not, I hope you resolve that other dialogue with your foe who you keep mistaking for me. I regret to say I’m feeling totally left out.<br /><br />Either way, I wish you luck with reading what everyone has to say in the future.<br />Bloggity Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304638069205289452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-13484594084485421122014-06-15T14:32:12.518-07:002014-06-15T14:32:12.518-07:00Hopeful one -
When did anyone here say that their...Hopeful one -<br /><br />When did anyone here say that their dogs should not be fixed? Your accusation is without substance, as the only thing said on that score was that someone questioned your claim (as well they should) that Darla Napora's pit bull killed her because it was not neutered. It seems quite a stretch to blame a pit bull attack on such factors, given the fact that even spayed/neutered pit bulls commit more attacks than all other breeds combined.<br /><br />Re: your claim that anyone questioning your strange conclusions about Darla Napora is guilty of "pit bull alarmist propaganda" - what "pit bull alarmist propaganda" would that be, exactly? The fact that pit bulls kill their owners at a rate 5 times higher than all other breeds combined?<br /><br />No, that's a matter of record. The propaganda, in my humble opinion, is coming from those who try to suppress this information.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482549578598366599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-79395433595918931292014-06-15T13:58:06.140-07:002014-06-15T13:58:06.140-07:00@"Hopeful One"
Your meltdown had to ha...@"Hopeful One" <br /><br />Your meltdown had to happen eventually - you pit freaks can never hold it together for long. It was clear to me what you were up to when you first showed up, pretending to be an impartial concerned citizen, researching breed regulations, bah. I detected the reek of your foul agenda a mile away.<br /><br />You are reprehensible, lying and spreading your bullshit, smearing victims with your insane rants. You know absolutely nothing about Darla Napora, but you pretend to be some sort of fucking expert, and even then you can't bring yourself to stop bullshitting. Yes, pit bulls need to be treated differently than normal dogs. Why not go ahead and admit it, and stop hiding behind vague references to "potentially dangerous dogs".<br /><br />To pretend that all dogs are like pit bulls is the sort of criminal misinformation that is killing innocent victims every single day. You have blood on your hands, "hopeful one". You may sleep well, since sociopaths aren't bothered by conscience - but what goes around comes around, and you will eventually get yours.Dick Johnsonhttp://www.zombo.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-50950193153491742232014-06-13T06:19:45.111-07:002014-06-13T06:19:45.111-07:00A question was asked and I answered it. Bottom lin...A question was asked and I answered it. Bottom line is a responsible owner would have fixed that dog. Would it have saved her life? Who knows? I never claimed that it would. But please don’t tell people not fixing their dogs makes no difference because it does. It’s shameful that you stick to the lame pit bull alarmist propaganda claim that Darla was a “good owner” simply because she was a wonderful person and loved her dogs. It’s irresponsible of you to do that. Potentially dangerous dogs need to be treated a lot differently than your average beagle or teddy bear. There’s a lot more to raising a rescued dog than just giving it hugs and to suggest otherwise is reprehensible. <br />Bloggity Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304638069205289452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-57213996376680955972014-06-12T20:52:23.427-07:002014-06-12T20:52:23.427-07:00@Hopeful -
I'm gratified to hear you acknowl...@Hopeful - <br /><br />I'm gratified to hear you acknowledge that there is a pit bull problem, but at the same time I can't help but wonder at your pitch perfect recital of all the old, discredited pit bull activist talking points. <br /><br />At a minimum, I can agree with you that all dog owners should be held responsible for whatever damage, injury or death caused by their dogs. <br /><br />But unfortunately, as we have seen already, that is totally unacceptable to pit bull owners, who feel that they are being unfairly singled out just because pit bulls are responsible for more bloodshed than other breeds. <br /><br />While the plan seems to make sense, the devil is in the details after all, and that's where you folks lose the plot. The real problem here is that your supposed solution to the problem is just business as usual. Your policy is strictly reactive; nothing is done until blood has been shed. How many free maulings, and how many free killings would a pit bull get under your rule? <br /><br />While I agree that simply holding the owners of maulers responsible would be progress, it's still playing whack-a-mole and waiting for each new victim (and there will be many) to react one crisis at a time. Why not be proactive and work to prevent the suffering and bloodshed? <br /><br />How do you determine a potentially dangerous dog? Do you play whack-a-mole, wait for a pit bull to turn on and attack, and then designate it potentially dangerous? Or do you work proactively to prevent such attacks?<br /><br />As to your misunderstanding, I'm asking how you justify all the future bloodshed which is guaranteed to happen given your proposed rules.<br /><br />What kind of dog you have is your business. If you have a torturer breed, my only wish is that you keep it properly confined so that it can't hurt others. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-3629438891061858802014-06-12T19:26:27.591-07:002014-06-12T19:26:27.591-07:00Hi Herzeleid;
I haven’t completely formed my solu...Hi Herzeleid;<br /><br />I haven’t completely formed my solution to the pit bull problem nor have I stated it so I was surprised to read you stating it for me. You said, “your solution to the pit bull problem is to crack down on golden retriever owners.” That is not accurate. If you are referring to me looking into Non Specific Breed Laws it’s my understanding they target offending dogs and dog owners. Dog owners are held more responsible if their dogs injure or kill another animal or if they mistreat their dog or encourage fighting. If the golden retriever and his or her owner are well behaved, no problem; they wouldn’t be targeted under these laws. Sure, maybe dog licensing fees go up, but you have to pay for BSL’s from somewhere as well.<br /><br />The best solution to me seems to be Non Specific Breed Laws across the board and some additional requirements for potentially dangerous dogs.<br /><br />I’m not sure why you’re presuming to know my desire for a certain type of dog or asking me to justify past bloodshed or predicting a future mauling of a type of dog you think I will get in the future. <br /><br />If you have any questions about my dogs (or what dog I might plan to get in the future) I’d be happy to answer them as best I can.<br /><br />Bloggity Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304638069205289452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-51076341841317488902014-06-12T11:48:51.720-07:002014-06-12T11:48:51.720-07:00Hopeful -
I'm not sure how you could equate ...Hopeful - <br /><br />I'm not sure how you could equate drinking the cool-aid from a pit bull propaganda site with "researching" the ban in Denver or anything else.<br /><br />Of course there is data that says BSL works. You even mentioned the link where Denver banned pit bull type dogs, and only pit bull type dogs, in response to a horrific mauling some years back. Denver is the only major US city not to have a fatality from dog attack in over 20 years. How is that not a success?<br /><br />It all boils down to this: The pit bull industry has proven that it can not and will not regulate itself. Every day there are new victims of pit bull attacks, and it's only getting worse over time. <br /><br />The entire purpose for the existence of pit bulls is now a crime. What is your justification for the ongoing bloodshed? Why is your desire to own an unpredictable torturer more important than our right to go about our lives without having loved ones (including animals) mauled to death because your pit bull "somehow" got loose?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-48498504743479105672014-06-12T11:34:38.718-07:002014-06-12T11:34:38.718-07:00@Hopeful -
This is a new low for you, but we had ...@Hopeful -<br /><br />This is a new low for you, but we had to know it was coming, because your agenda has been clear to me from the beginning. <br /><br />One of the top rules for pit bull activists is "blame the victim". <br /><br />Don't connect the dots, don't look at what pit bulls were created to do, don't correlate this attack with the other similar incidents where pit bulls suddenly began torturing their kindly owners to death, above all, don't think! Just keep regurgitating the party line, and find some irrelevant factor to blame the attack on, anything except the fact that the pit bull was fulfilling it's purpose in mauling to death a victim for no particular reason, just as they were bred to do.<br /><br />What makes you think neutering the pit bull would have made any difference whatsoever on the outcome? Many neutered pit bulls have maimed or killed. But you're just regurgitating the propaganda from the pit bull propaganda mills, and didn't think anyone would notice that that emperor has no clothes.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Dick Johnsonhttp://www.zombo.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-36623016378525588852014-06-12T10:53:35.520-07:002014-06-12T10:53:35.520-07:00Thanks for your reply Herzeleid;
You misunderstoo...Thanks for your reply Herzeleid;<br /><br />You misunderstood what I said. You said I questioned the laws being effective, but the laws are obviously effective. What I asked if there was any data supporting if BSL’s were MORE effective than Breed Neutral Laws. <br /><br />When researching the ban in Denver this is what I found. http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/Denver_fnl%5B1%5D.pdf<br /><br />Perhaps that is propaganda, but I couldn’t find any propaganda to the contrary so that is why I asked for data supporting the other position. I want to look at both sides of the issue and make up my mind on it.<br /><br />So if you have any data supporting BSL's being more effective than BNL's please share it.Bloggity Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304638069205289452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7524655808844578153.post-58657737897502490972014-06-12T10:50:36.815-07:002014-06-12T10:50:36.815-07:00Darla Napora was an irresponsible owner in my opin...Darla Napora was an irresponsible owner in my opinion because she rescued a dog and did not get it neutered. If there was a rescue organization involved they are also complicit.Bloggity Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304638069205289452noreply@blogger.com